Activity

From 2014-03-17 to 2014-04-15

2014-04-15

15:01 Case #85: Problem with Cardioversion and anesthesia
Martti Virtanen 2014-04-15
The ORD numbering in SWE in now nonstandard and should be changed. An ORD-code that is pa...
Martti Virtanen
14:55 Case #217: Cardiac arrest
2014-04-15
The name of the proberty is not important. However, the dx is neither rare (at least not in other countri...
Martti Virtanen
14:27 Case #262: Gallbladder surgery during Pregnancy
Martti Virtanen 2014-04-15
The names of the properties obviously do not affect the DRG assignment, so this is not es...
Martti Virtanen
14:16 Case #265: Inconsistent CC-MCC grading
Martti Virtanen 2014-04-15
I see your point.
Actually this demonstrates a problem of the CC-system. The idea is th...
Martti Virtanen

2014-04-10

17:06 Case #287: The DRGs for vaginal delivery contains also non-delivery cases
When making the technical changes we notice that during the Expert meeting the suggested codes to get PDGPRO 14P01 wa... Ralph Dahlgren
15:24 Case #255: Percutaneous and closed fasciotomy
There are 3 cases dealing with this issue. Case 255, Case 272, Case 282. In case 272 it is pointed out that TND03 by ... Ralph Dahlgren
14:53 Case #271: ECLA/ECHLA (/ECMO) indicates high level intensive care
When doing the technical changes we noticed that the procedure code DF005 Annläggande av aortaballongpump in Swedish ... Ralph Dahlgren
12:18 Case #265: Inconsistent CC-MCC grading
B452 is a skin disease, should not have 18C08, we suggest Compl "09C09 Skin mucosis" as a new property instead. Look ... Ralph Dahlgren
10:15 Case #262: Gallbladder surgery during Pregnancy
Sweden suggest that the new PDGPROP 07P14 should be called ‘Hepatobiliary problem during pregnancy’. The word Potenti... Ralph Dahlgren

2014-04-09

13:57 Case #217: Cardiac arrest
There has after diskussion in Sweden been decided that the cases with I460 as main diagnosis should be grouped to DRG... Ralph Dahlgren
12:06 Case #216: Kidney transplantation with special pre-surgical treatment
We do not want this rule to be place inbetween M01C and M01E. So we want the ord number to be 400D300501 so this rule... Ralph Dahlgren
10:28 Case #85: Problem with Cardioversion and anesthesia
The ord number in SWE files fore the planed new rule is 105D19501 and not like the suggestion made by Martti.
MVH Ra...
Ralph Dahlgren

2014-04-08

14:16 Document: NordDRG changes file base
Anonymous
14:15 NDRG_changes_file_base.xls
Anonymous

2014-04-03

08:35 Case #265: Inconsistent CC-MCC grading
2014-03-04 Martti Virtanen
I have missed this case when going trough the cases after expert meeting.
The exculsion...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-28

11:12 Case #217: Cardiac arrest
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
The proposal for change in all NordDRG versions was rejected by Expert Group. This is a...
Martti Virtanen
10:32 NordDRG update proposal template 2014.doc
Anonymous

2014-03-27

00:08 Case #263: Z094D groups different from Z09.4 + S52.50
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The dx Z0940 and all its subcodes will be changed from DGCAT 23M0...
Martti Virtanen
00:03 Case #216: Kidney transplantation with special pre-surgical treatment
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
This new therapy is presumably in use even in other countries. It is recommendable that...
Martti Virtanen
23:17 Case #264: Surgery on malrotation of the gut and appendectomy
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
Following changes will be performed
1) Rules for group F12 DRG (...
Martti Virtanen
23:08 Case #249: Impossible complication exclusion rules
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
In komplex table all rows with COMPL 15C01 and dx code starting w...
Martti Virtanen
22:45 Case #262: Gallbladder surgery during Pregnancy
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
A better solution for the problem would be to add subcodes for hepatobilirary and gastr...
Martti Virtanen
22:26 Case #286: ABSD40 ‘Implantation of spinal injection device’ has 01S51 in NOR, 01S02 in others
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
Analysis on resource use indicated both in SWE and FIN data that 01S51 results in DRG a...
Martti Virtanen
22:18 Case #290: Third degree perineal laceration and 14X11
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
Changes are presented at case #300
Martti Virtanen
22:17 Case #300: Third degree perineal laceration during delivery
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
O702B is also linked to O7030
*Technical change*
O702B, O702D and O702E are all l...
Martti Virtanen
22:05 Case #267: Missing outpatient DRG for surgery of spine
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
The problem turned out to be that ABSC21 ‘Anterior decompression of cervical spine with...
Martti Virtanen
17:28 Case #227: Procedure QXXB90 'Vacume treatment of wound', should it have CC properties
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
QXXB90 'Vacume treatment of wound' and all linked codes is given ...
Martti Virtanen
17:24 Case #278: Properties of additional codes describing use of grafts
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
ZTXQ10 and ZTXQ20 together with ZTXQ30 is dealth with in Case #293 ‘ZZQ20 and 03S01’
...
Martti Virtanen
17:12 Case #251: Chronic laryngitis
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
J370 Chronic laryngitis and all linked codes shall have DGCAT 03M...
Martti Virtanen
17:07 Case #256: Peripheral vein occlusion and 14S90_21S09
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
PROCPROP 14S90 and 21S09 shall be removed from all codes in the P...
Martti Virtanen
16:59 Case #247: G-level exclusions in the exclusion list
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
This case will not cause any change. The G-leven exclusions will be produced for Swedis...
Martti Virtanen
16:55 Case #269: The hierarchy problem in MDC08 (DRG 216)
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The rules for DRG 216 (currently ORD 408D04110 and 408D04111) sha...
Martti Virtanen
16:46 Case #293: ZZQ20 and 03S01
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new procedure property 00S30 ‘Free microvascular graft’ is crea...
Martti Virtanen
15:40 Case #219: Dysfunction of tracheostomy
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
J9500 and Q3920 shall get the DGPROP 08X30 'Orthopaedic lesion of...
Martti Virtanen
15:37 Case #245: Errors in the exclusion list 18C90 “Other severe infection”
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
C7990 Secondary malignant neoplasm, unspecified site
J0110 Acut...
Martti Virtanen
15:29 Case #235: Corrected PROCPR for ZZL00 (Free graft of amniotic membrane)
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
ZTXL00 ‘Free graft of amniotic membrane’ and all linked codes sha...
Martti Virtanen
15:22 Case #257: Pneumonia diagnoses without 05P10
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The listed dx (in ICD10+) and all linked codes will be given the ...
Martti Virtanen
15:18 Case #248: Impossible anesthesia rules
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
No change.
Rule ORD 490D06004 is already corrected in NordDRG 2...
Martti Virtanen
15:16 Case #261: Merging DRGs 580J and 580G (MDC3 (Diseases and disorders of ear, nose, mouth and throat)
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The rules for DRG 580J ORD 103D010005 and 191D000005 are inactiva...
Martti Virtanen
15:11 Case #229: AAL10 Intracranial endovascular thrombolysis
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new PROCPRO 01S30 ‘Intracranial endovascular trombolysis’ is cr...
Martti Virtanen
14:52 Case #279: Shortening or lengthening of bones
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
NBSK69 Other shortening or lengthening osteotomy of shoulder or u...
Martti Virtanen
14:48 Case #283: Peritoneal dialysis at home
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new code KAXA23 ‘Home based peritoneal dialysis’ is created in ...
Martti Virtanen
14:44 Case #270: Subgaleal hemorrhage in the newborn
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
P1220 is given the DDGPROP 15X98 ‘Other significant problem of ne...
Martti Virtanen
14:36 Case #292: Z412 (circumcision) must have OR
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
To complete the analysis the code KGSV20 ‘Ritual circumcision’ is present in all other ...
Martti Virtanen
14:28 Case #287: The DRGs for vaginal delivery contains also non-delivery cases
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
To make the risk of non-delivery cases to be grouped as deliveries it was accepted that...
Martti Virtanen
13:40 Case #295: Difference in the properties of corresponding dx’s in different countries
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
I found one missed case from the table. It marked added case. We need to get the opinio...
Martti Virtanen
13:22 Case #126: Finnish (and Norwegian) drug interventions in NordDRG
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
New codes for specified drugtherapy are added to NCSP+ with codes...
Martti Virtanen
12:34 Case #250: Cronic erythraemia and Polycythaemia vera
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
D4500 ‘Neoplasm of uncertain or unknown behaviour of polycythaemi...
Martti Virtanen
12:24 Case #302: Difference in the CC exclusions of corresponding dx’s in different countries
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The changes in the attached table (new, previous was not the late...
Martti Virtanen
11:54 Case #272: New therapy for Dupyutren’s Contracture
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
The problem in this case is in the terminology used. The Swedish intervention DN010 ‘Cl...
Martti Virtanen
10:48 Case #246: Explanatory text to 00X99
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
In the Tpomin –table the value for ‘English’ for Procprop 00X99 s...
Martti Virtanen
10:44 Case #266: Brachytherapy of the eye - Hierarchy problem
2014-03-27 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
Current rule ORD 402D034 is changed to 402D033000 and ORD 402D033...
Martti Virtanen
09:23 Case #275: Team visits
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The rules leading to DRGs in the table above in Drglogic are inac...
Martti Virtanen
09:02 Case #271: ECLA/ECHLA (/ECMO) indicates high level intensive care
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new PROCPRO 00S21 ‘Use of IABP’ is created
The new property 00...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-26

23:40 Case #253: MCC or CC for S42, S52 och S82
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
This correction is part of the corrections after the CC-project. A larger group is disc...
Martti Virtanen
14:25 Case #277: Differences of procedure properties between national versions of NordDRG
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
For the 135 rows in table procdiffprob differences in national co...
Martti Virtanen
14:17 Case #234: Corrected PROCPR for some orthopedic procedures
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
Changes for NBSN90 (NBN39, NBN49, NBN99) and NFSN90 (NFN39, NFN49) are described in cas...
Martti Virtanen
14:07 Case #280: Use of transplant upper arm or thigh
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
NBSN90 (and all linked national codes) are given property 08S50 a...
Martti Virtanen
13:37 Case #288: Transvenous biventricular pacemaker with electrodes
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new procedure property 05S43 ‘Implantation of biventricular pac...
Martti Virtanen
13:20 Case #289: Noninvasive respirator treatment
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
WAA729 and and all linked codes (SWE) is given PROCPROP 04S04.
...
Martti Virtanen
13:12 Case #281: FIN CC model for interventions
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
All 90X10 are removed and the interventions are given the same CC...
Martti Virtanen
13:08 Case #301: Polyneuropathy in infectious and parasitic diseases classified elsewhere (G6300) – cen...
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
Replace 01M09 with 01M99 for G6300 in all versions
*DRG change...
Martti Virtanen
13:02 Case #122: Interventions on haemangioma and anaesthesia
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The anesthesia rule for DRG 120O (E39O) ORD 190D050001 shall be r...
Martti Virtanen
12:33 Case #297: Vincent’s infections
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
All codes mapped to A691A will have DGCAT 03M05 ‘Otitis media and...
Martti Virtanen
12:10 Case #303: Ventricular tachycardias
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
Add 05C09 complication exclusion to I4721 and all linked codes in...
Martti Virtanen
11:47 Case #285: Paracentesis and insertion of ventilation tubes
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
_At the expert group discussion Norway pointed out that the property 03O13 should resul...
Martti Virtanen
11:14 Case #85: Problem with Cardioversion and anesthesia
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
A new rule is added after the current rule 105D1950 (for example ...
Martti Virtanen
11:05 Case #121: DRG 2A and 2B Finnish version names are switched
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
The names in Finland will be
002A Other craniotomy for trau...
Martti Virtanen
10:44 Case #274: Error to be corrected for Procedure code JFC41
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
For JFSC41 'Laparoscopic ileorectostomy' the PROCPR 06S01 'Stomac...
Martti Virtanen
10:07 Case #120: Juvenile arthritis in Crohns disease and ulcerative colitis is not meningococcal disease
2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen
*Technical change*
Complication category of M0910 and M0920 (ICD+ codes) and all rel...
Martti Virtanen
10:06 Case #134: Case 2012-MDC10-02 Error correction DRG 288B
*2014-03-26 Martti Virtanen*
*Technical change:*
NCSP+ codes of the type QxSE80 and QxSE82 and national codes li...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-25

16:03 Case #233: Code pairs in the table Compl.excl
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24-25
Martti proposed to clean complication exclusion list from properties that are n...
Anonymous
15:58 Case #227: Procedure QXXB90 'Vacume treatment of wound', should it have CC properties
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Finnish analysis is done and proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
15:52 Case #179: Revision of MDC24 (Multiple significant trauma)
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Nordic Casemix Centre produces defintion tables for Norway and Sweden and batch gr...
Anonymous
15:50 Case #134: Case 2012-MDC10-02 Error correction DRG 288B
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Error correction and change only for Iceland and Finland.
Proposal like this acce...
Anonymous
15:49 Case #126: Finnish (and Norwegian) drug interventions in NordDRG
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Mapping is accepted and grouping changes are postponed.
Anonymous
15:47 Case #125: Percutaneous transluminal renal denervation
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Change in all groupers and all countries accept proposal.
Anonymous
15:45 Case #124: Implantation of spinal injection device - Spinal procedure?
Beata Tana wrote:
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Issue discussed in case #286.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
12:10 Case #124: Implantation of spinal injection device - Spinal procedure?
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
See case #286.
Anonymous
15:44 Case #123: Diagnosis category of chronic laryngitis
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
This issue is discussed in case #251.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:43 Case #122: Interventions on haemangioma and anaesthesia
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Changes in all national versions.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:41 Case #121: DRG 2A and 2B Finnish version names are switched
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Change only for Finland.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:41 Case #120: Juvenile arthritis in Crohns disease and ulcerative colitis is not meningococcal disease
Comment 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:39 Case #85: Problem with Cardioversion and anesthesia
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Accepted by all and change for all national versions.
Anonymous
15:10 Development initiative #73: Grouping of out-patients (including Drugs)
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
No new active items
Anonymous
14:44 Case #303: Ventricular tachycardias
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Swedish proposal that 05C09 exclusion is given all I472 -group codes is accepted. ...
Anonymous
14:34 Case #302: Difference in the CC exclusions of corresponding dx’s in different countries
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal accepted by all countries.
Anonymous
14:33 Case #301: Polyneuropathy in infectious and parasitic diseases classified elsewhere (G6300) – cen...
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Swedish property added to all other versions.
Anonymous
14:31 Case #298: Chronic laryngitis is not an acute infection
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
This issue is discussed in the Swedish proposal case #251.
Anonymous
14:28 Case #297: Vincent’s infections
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Recommends that the properties in all versions will be according to the linkage to...
Anonymous
14:13 Case #291: Vincent infections
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decision for this issue is made in case #297.
Anonymous
14:09 Case #295: Difference in the properties of corresponding dx’s in different countries
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Marttis proposes to harmonize the versions and see if it will affect the grouping....
Anonymous
14:02 Case #296: Code pair problems
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decision made in case #233.
There will be no change in any version.
Proposal is...
Anonymous
14:00 Case #296: Code pair problems
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
14:01 Case #294: Unnecessary code pairs in the DG1 and ICD tables
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decision made in case #233.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
13:50 Case #299: Routine and ritual circumcision
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal accepted as in case #292.
Anonymous
13:49 Case #292: Z412 (circumcision) must have OR
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Change will be to keep the rule, keep the property as done in year 2013 grouper un...
Anonymous
13:39 Case #290: Third degree perineal laceration and 14X11
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decision made in case #300.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
13:38 Case #300: Third degree perineal laceration during delivery
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
14X11 will not be removed.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
13:34 Case #289: Noninvasive respirator treatment
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
The original swedish proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
13:29 Case #288: Transvenous biventricular pacemaker with electrodes
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal is accepted. Will remain as is other countries, change only in Sweden.
Anonymous
13:27 Case #287: The DRGs for vaginal delivery contains also non-delivery cases
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal with addition of Marttis comment is accepted by all countries.
Anonymous
13:14 Case #286: ABSD40 ‘Implantation of spinal injection device’ has 01S51 in NOR, 01S02 in others
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Basically same case as #124.
Norway accepts the proposal of change to common ve...
Anonymous
12:09 Case #285: Paracentesis and insertion of ventilation tubes
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
03013 is not removed but otherwise the proposal is accepted by all.
Anonymous
12:03 Case #284: Injection of therapeutic agent into or percutaneous occlusion of vein
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
This case is linked to #256.
Proposal is accepted by all.
Anonymous
12:02 Case #283: Peritoneal dialysis at home
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decision is to create new NCSP+ code.
This will affect only Norway but without p...
Anonymous
11:53 Case #281: FIN CC model for interventions
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Change affects only Finland and accepted by all.
Anonymous
11:51 Case #280: Use of transplant upper arm or thigh
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Accepted by Sweden and change done only in Sweden.
Anonymous
11:49 Case #279: Shortening or lengthening of bones
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal is accepted by Sweden and change only in Sweden.
Anonymous
11:47 Case #278: Properties of additional codes describing use of grafts
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Decided in the other related cases. See case #260.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
11:46 Case #277: Differences of procedure properties between national versions of NordDRG
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
The proposal for this case is only that corrections marked with red in the excel t...
Anonymous
11:35 Case #276: Impossible day surgery
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
The answer to Marttis question is yes.
Proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
11:31 Case #267: Missing outpatient DRG for surgery of spine
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25

Correction is made by Marttis suggestion.
Proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
10:36 Case #267: Missing outpatient DRG for surgery of spine
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Norway will check the codes and a decision will be made by the end of the meeting.
Anonymous
11:26 Case #275: Team visits
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal is accepted by all but change only in Sweden.
Anonymous
11:11 Case #273: Hard coding in the grouper of code complicating oneself
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Discussed and decided in Case #233.
Anonymous
11:05 Case #271: ECLA/ECHLA (/ECMO) indicates high level intensive care
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
No need to re-open the older case #95. The issue is handled here.
Norway supports...
Anonymous
10:48 Case #270: Subgaleal hemorrhage in the newborn
Beata Tana wrote:
> Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
>
> Norwegian proposal is accepted with addition with swedish...
Anonymous
10:47 Case #270: Subgaleal hemorrhage in the newborn
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal is accepted with addition with swedish comment.
Anonymous
10:41 Case #269: The hierarchy problem in MDC08 (DRG 216)
Beata Tana wrote:
> *Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25*
>
> Proposal accepted. DRG 216 is moved down as proposed by...
Anonymous
10:41 Case #269: The hierarchy problem in MDC08 (DRG 216)
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25
Proposal accepted. DRG 216 is moved down as proposed by Norway.
Anonymous
10:37 Case #215: Splitting of the 900-series DRGs
Beata Tana wrote:
> *Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
>
> Swedish data should be compared to Norwegian logic whic...
Anonymous
10:28 Case #265: Inconsistent CC-MCC grading
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-25*
The cases are few and the codes are rare so the impact on the system is small.
...
Anonymous
10:08 Case #266: Brachytherapy of the eye - Hierarchy problem
Beata Tana wrote:
> Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
>
> Sweden agrees with proposal.
> Finland will have to loo...
Anonymous

2014-03-24

19:15 Case #125: Percutaneous transluminal renal denervation
*2014-03-24 Expert group*
The proposal is supported by the expert group.
The name of DRG 112A has an error. The co...
Martti Virtanen
18:40 Case #123: Diagnosis category of chronic laryngitis
2014-03-24 Martti Virtanen
This is the same as case #251
Martti Virtanen
17:38 Case #268: The hierarchy of DRG 119
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Suggestion is to postpone the case to 2016.
Further analysis is necessary on h...
Anonymous
17:32 Case #266: Brachytherapy of the eye - Hierarchy problem
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Sweden agrees with proposal.
Finland will have to look at it again because codes...
Anonymous
17:28 Case #265: Inconsistent CC-MCC grading
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
This case is extensive and will be discussed on day 2 of meeting.
Anonymous
17:25 Case #264: Surgery on malrotation of the gut and appendectomy
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Marttis proposal for changes of rules for grouping is accepted.
Anonymous
17:14 Case #263: Z094D groups different from Z09.4 + S52.50
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Marttis proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
17:11 Case #262: Gallbladder surgery during Pregnancy
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
The suggestion is ok but it causes many new lines.
Swedish proposal accepted.
Anonymous
17:07 Case #261: Merging DRGs 580J and 580G (MDC3 (Diseases and disorders of ear, nose, mouth and throat)
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Relevant only for Finland and as information for other countries that this will be...
Anonymous
17:05 Case #260: Some transplantation codes and 08S20
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal is either to add property to all other national versions or to delete it ...
Anonymous
17:00 Case #258: Self catheterization training
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
16:59 Case #257: Pneumonia diagnoses without 05P10
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
16:56 Case #256: Peripheral vein occlusion and 14S90_21S09
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal is accepted.
Anonymous
16:55 Case #282: Closed fasciotomy
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Decision is made in #255.
Anonymous
16:44 Case #282: Closed fasciotomy
Martti Virtanen wrote:
> 2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
> This is the same as case #255.
See also #272.
Anonymous
16:54 Case #272: New therapy for Dupyutren’s Contracture
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Decision is made in #255.
Anonymous
16:53 Case #255: Percutaneous and closed fasciotomy
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
All countries agree on new code called "stretching of Dupuytrens contracture".
...
Anonymous
16:50 Case #255: Percutaneous and closed fasciotomy
Martti Virtanen wrote:
> 2014-03-13 Martti Virtanen
> Closed fasciotomy is in the English texts used as a synon...
Anonymous
16:40 Case #254: Missing codes in the Compl.excl. table
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Concerning B9770 Marttis proposal is to either put it back to all national version...
Anonymous
16:33 Case #253: MCC or CC for S42, S52 och S82
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Internal matter for Sweden.
Proposal accepted by all.
Anonymous
16:31 Case #252: Disorders of pigmentation can be complicated by heart diseases and congenital malforma...
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Correction already done to 2014.
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
16:30 Case #251: Chronic laryngitis
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Change accepted according to swedish proposal.
Anonymous
16:28 Case #250: Cronic erythraemia and Polycythaemia vera
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Swedish proposal but with addition of Marttis comment is accepted.
Anonymous
16:24 Case #249: Impossible complication exclusion rules
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
16:00 Case #248: Impossible anesthesia rules
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:58 Case #247: G-level exclusions in the exclusion list
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Case postponed for swedish discussion.
Anonymous
15:56 Case #246: Explanatory text to 00X99
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:53 Case #245: Errors in the exclusion list 18C90 “Other severe infection”
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:52 Case #236: Spelling errors in the Compl.cat table
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:51 Case #235: Corrected PROCPR for ZZL00 (Free graft of amniotic membrane)
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:50 Case #234: Corrected PROCPR for some orthopedic procedures
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Swedish proposal accepted.
Anonymous
15:19 Case #229: AAL10 Intracranial endovascular thrombolysis
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
The cost weights and also clinical definition concludes that the options is to mov...
Anonymous
14:48 Case #228: Change of names for DRG O28E DRG O28C and DRG O29O
Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24
Just for information from Sweden.
Proposal for name change accepted.
Anonymous
13:53 Case #227: Procedure QXXB90 'Vacume treatment of wound', should it have CC properties
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
This is a resource intensive case. Adding CC properties to procedure affects all...
Anonymous
13:42 Case #219: Dysfunction of tracheostomy
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
No need for new diagnosis property.
The suggestion is accepted by all countries.
Anonymous
13:38 Case #218: Merge / change DRG C15N, C15O with C29N, C29O
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
Results are very different in Finland and Sweden.
Case will be postponed for f...
Anonymous
13:34 Case #217: Cardiac arrest
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
I4600 as principal diagnosis is not correct coding. The cause of the Cardiac arr...
Anonymous
13:17 Case #216: Kidney transplantation with special pre-surgical treatment
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
No data available about how the coding is done in any other countries.
Splittin...
Anonymous
13:01 Case #215: Splitting of the 900-series DRGs
*Comment Expert Group 2014-03-24*
Swedish data should be compared to Norwegian logic which analysis has started in...
Anonymous

2014-03-23

23:37 Case #271: ECLA/ECHLA (/ECMO) indicates high level intensive care
Mats Fernström, NPK, Sweden, 2014-03-20
To judge the total effect of the suggested change by just looking at the Drg...
Martti Virtanen
23:16 Case #297: Vincent’s infections
2014-03-23 Martti Virtanen
This is the same case as #291 and they must result in the same result. It is true that ...
Martti Virtanen
22:49 Case #297: Vincent’s infections
Mats Fernström, NPK, Sweden, 2014-03-19
No, this is not exactly the same case as case #291. There are two difference...
Martti Virtanen
22:35 Case #270: Subgaleal hemorrhage in the newborn
Mats Fernström, NPK, Sweden, 2014-03-19
There are not many cases with P122 as the principal diagnosis in Sweden eith...
Martti Virtanen
22:30 Case #248: Impossible anesthesia rules
Mats Fernström, NPK, Sweden, 2014-03-19
First a minor correction: the national ID of this case is CPK ID 532 – not 5...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-21

15:44 Case #179: Revision of MDC24 (Multiple significant trauma)
2014-03-21 Kristiina Kahur
In order to facilitate the discussion in Stockholm there are some slides added summarisin...
Kristiina Kahur

2014-03-20

00:21 Case #122: Interventions on haemangioma and anaesthesia
2014-03-21 Martti Virtanen
It is important and interesting to see that the cases with anesthesia are so expensive....
Martti Virtanen
23:13 Case #122: Interventions on haemangioma and anaesthesia
Mats Fernström, NPK, Sweden, 2014-03-19
The question is whether the rule with ORD 190D050001 for DRG E39O/120O is ne...
Martti Virtanen
12:30 Case #299: Routine and ritual circumcision
2014-03-21 Martti Virtanen
See case #292
Martti Virtanen
11:53 Case #271 (Active): ECLA/ECHLA (/ECMO) indicates high level intensive care
Anonymous
09:18 Case #249: Impossible complication exclusion rules
20-3-2014 Kristiina Kahur
Finland supports the proposal
Kristiina Kahur

2014-03-19

14:57 Case #218: Merge / change DRG C15N, C15O with C29N, C29O
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
The finnish data has following weights:
* DRG******Weight***N
* 55*******3,73*****4...
Martti Virtanen
12:51 Case #217: Cardiac arrest
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
This model has already been invented in NordDRG.
Case 2000-MDC18-01 B95-B97 'Bacteria...
Martti Virtanen
12:30 Case #292: Z412 (circumcision) must have OR
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
This is the last case of a diagnosis with OR=1 property and it would be logical not to ha...
Martti Virtanen
12:16 Case #215: Splitting of the 900-series DRGs
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
I support the proposal. I do not think however, that there is a need for a group for outp...
Martti Virtanen
11:55 Case #249: Impossible complication exclusion rules
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
I support this proposal.
Martti Virtanen
11:49 Case #262: Gallbladder surgery during Pregnancy
20014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
The proposal is technically OK. It solves the problem caused by bad code structure and i...
Martti Virtanen
11:19 Case #263: Z094D groups different from Z09.4 + S52.50
20014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
The xxX99 properties were created as a results of case Case 2007-MDC23-01 Follow-up exam...
Martti Virtanen
10:28 Case #264: Surgery on malrotation of the gut and appendectomy
2014-03-19 Martti Virtanen
Changes according to the technical description in the Excel ® file:
1) Rules for group F...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-18

12:10 Case #216: Kidney transplantation with special pre-surgical treatment
2014-03-18 Martti Virtanen
This can be performed without effect on other than SWE version, since the intervention DR...
Martti Virtanen
12:00 Case #293: ZZQ20 and 03S01
2014-03-18 Martti Virtanen
This case is one the cases caused by the harmonisation of the properties of procedures in...
Martti Virtanen
10:29 Case #303: Ventricular tachycardias
2014-03-18 Martti Virtanen
This case is part of case #254.
Sweden proposes that 05C09 exclusion is given all I472 -...
Martti Virtanen
10:01 Case #303 (Accepted): Ventricular tachycardias
In Sweden the I472 has been divided to 3 or 4 categories:

* I472 Paroxysmal ventrikulär takykardi (original code...
Anonymous
09:59 Case #302 (Accepted): Difference in the CC exclusions of corresponding dx’s in different countries
_This is a summary of the analyses of the differences between the countries in the CC exclusions of the diagnoses._
...
Anonymous
09:44 Case #289: Noninvasive respirator treatment
2014-03-18 Martti Virtanen
NCSP+ has code WAA729 'Non invasive respirator therapy' to which DG023 and DM004 (Intuber...
Martti Virtanen
09:17 Case #246: Explanatory text to 00X99
2014-03-18 Martti Virtanen
Good proposal, I support it.
Martti Virtanen
09:12 Case #272: New therapy for Dupyutren’s Contracture
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
I just realized that this is actually the same matter as cases #255 adn #282. The Swedish...
Martti Virtanen
08:55 Case #273: Hard coding in the grouper of code complicating oneself
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
The current model that we have imitated from the US system, is that the complicating dx's...
Martti Virtanen

2014-03-17

22:30 Case #236: Spelling errors in the Compl.cat table
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
'Obvious error' to be corrected.
Martti Virtanen
22:28 Case #270: Subgaleal hemorrhage in the newborn
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
The problem in this case is attached with the terminology that is not used in any standar...
Martti Virtanen
20:21 Case #258: Self catheterization training
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
I agree with the proposal.
This is part of Case #277
Martti Virtanen
20:18 Case #245: Errors in the exclusion list 18C90 “Other severe infection”
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
I support the proposal. I think it is an 'obvious error'.
Martti Virtanen
20:09 Case #278: Properties of additional codes describing use of grafts
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
This is the matter as in case #260.
The matter has been discussed in case #235 and #211
Martti Virtanen
19:51 Case #269: The hierarchy problem in MDC08 (DRG 216)
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
Intuitively this sound reasonable and at least the Finnish DRG weights support the reason...
Martti Virtanen
19:41 Case #297: Vincent’s infections
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
This is the same case as case #291.
See also case #117
Martti Virtanen
11:09 Case #297 (Accepted): Vincent’s infections
This is a very rare infection caused by certain type spirochetal bacteria originally described during first world war... Anonymous
19:40 Case #291: Vincent infections
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
This is the same problem as case #297 that has a more general form for the solution. The ...
Martti Virtanen
19:26 Case #288: Transvenous biventricular pacemaker with electrodes
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
I see no problem with the proposed model. This has no effect on other countries since no ...
Martti Virtanen
19:18 Case #282: Closed fasciotomy
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
This is the same as case #255.
Martti Virtanen
19:14 Case #276: Impossible day surgery
2013-04-17 Martti Virtanen
I support this proposal. Would the new DRG be regarded as type of subgroup to old DRG 470...
Martti Virtanen
18:58 Case #296: Code pair problems
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
See also case #233 and case #294
Martti Virtanen
10:56 Case #296 (Accepted): Code pair problems
There are 2562 cases with code pair problems that need to be adjusted, to avoid unnecessary conflicts between the cou... Anonymous
18:52 Case #266: Brachytherapy of the eye - Hierarchy problem
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
In principle OK. The Finish data supports the proposal.
Martti Virtanen
18:38 Case #298: Chronic laryngitis is not an acute infection
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
This is the same matter as case #251
Martti Virtanen
13:35 Case #298 (Accepted): Chronic laryngitis is not an acute infection
In SWE J3700 ‘Chronic laryngitis’ and its subcodes belong to DGCAT 03M05 ‘Otitis media and upper respiratory infecti... Anonymous
18:09 Case #300: Third degree perineal laceration during delivery
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
See case #290.
Martti Virtanen
13:47 Case #300 (Accepted): Third degree perineal laceration during delivery
A fourth degree perineal laceration during delivery (O7030) has in all versions the DGPROP 14X11 ‘Complication of del... Anonymous
18:07 Case #290: Third degree perineal laceration and 14X11
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
The case #300 deals with this same problem. We seem to agree with Mats.
Martti Virtanen
17:55 Case #247: G-level exclusions in the exclusion list
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
It is a misunderstanding that any grouper would convert any propety (except for the gende...
Martti Virtanen
17:39 Case #252: Disorders of pigmentation can be complicated by heart diseases and congenital malforma...
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
These exclusions have already been removed. They have been created (by error) probably be...
Martti Virtanen
17:28 Case #294: Unnecessary code pairs in the DG1 and ICD tables
2014-03-17 Martti Virtanen
None of the listed pairs is included in the current version of NordDRG. These were probab...
Martti Virtanen
13:50 Case #301 (Accepted): Polyneuropathy in infectious and parasitic diseases classified elsewhere (G...
Polyneuropathy is an inflammatory reaction in the nervous system in this case to an infection elsewhere in the body. ... Anonymous
13:38 Case #299 (Accepted): Routine and ritual circumcision
The diagnosis Z4120 ‘Routine and ritual circumcision’ has had property OR=1 since the code refers to surgical interve... Anonymous
10:52 Case #295 (Accepted): Difference in the properties of corresponding dx’s in different countries
_This is a summary of the analyses of the differences between the countries in the properties of the diagnoses._
T...
Anonymous
 

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